Friday, September 09, 2011

Time maybe for a Commission to re-examine Malaysian history...

It is good that we are again looking at the question of 'MERDEKA' - in short, re-evaluating as to who were the ones who should be credited with fighting for the independence of Malaysia.

1) Who were we fighting against to get the independence of Malaya?
The British - that would be the correct answer.
2) Who were the people involved in the struggle for the independence of Malaya?
It was a whole range of people, from the various ethnic religious and cultural groups, and the various different groups used a variety of means to fight for independence - some resorted to arms struggle and others used other means.

3) So what is the problem now?
Well, the problem is that our Malaysian history has failed to give due recognitions to all those different people and groups that were struggling for merdeka. In fact some of these have been painted very negatively in our history books. Now, there is a movement again in search of the truth..the true history of Malaysia

4) Do you consider those who served as police, military, civil defence forces, etc... under the British colonialist government, acting against those who fought the British rule and administration in accordance to the law and policies of the British, before 31/8/1957 persons who were fighting for Malaya's independence or patriots?
Personally, my opinion is that they were not, and the question that we must ask is why the BN government (or the Alliance government) before that have been trying to make us accept these policemen, military personnel,... as patriots...further aggravated by movies...

OK, we may have made a mistake ...and painted a wrong picture in the past - but why is the BN government today still defending this story - not willing to acknowledge the others who fought for the independence of Malaya??

I say let us form a Body...maybe some sort of Commission to do the needful and correct the written history of Malaysia - re-discovering the truth of what really transpired. We may not condone the strategy or methods of some, but let us also acknowledge the part that they played in the struggle for independence of Malaya...

Revision of our nation's history was necessary due to versions yet to be uncovered, but this does not apply to the history of Independence including the Bukit Kepong incident, said the Education Ministry.

NONEMinister of Higher Education Khaled Nordin (right) said this was because the struggle for Independence struggle took place recently and was abundant in points of reference.

"More versions of history need to be unearthed, but this does not mean twisting historical facts like in Bukit Kepong...

"(The Independence struggle) is something which many went through and know about, and there are many writings on it compared to what had happened in the 11th and 12th century," said Khaled at UTM's Kuala Lumpur campus.

Khaled spoke to reporters after the launch of the book 'Historical Facts and Fiction' by estemeed scholar Syed Muhammad Naguib al-Attas, that disputes widely-accepted versions of the historical Islamisation of the Malay world.- Malaysiakini, 9/9/2011, History needs review, excepting Bukit Kepong
I really cannot agree with the Minister - I wonder why he still wants to keep the policemen, who served the British colonialist, as heroes of Malaysia. They were not. This kind of attitude raises the question of whether the current BN leadership is still pro-British... or just agents of the British - still not adopting the reality that Malaysia is indeed now independent - and the fact that we gained our independence by the ousting of the British colonialist from Malaysia. 

Would those who served the Japanese, when they occupied Malaya also heroes of Malaysia?

We should not now blame those who served the British(or the Japanese) in the police, armed forces, civil defence forces and civil service as being 'anti-national' or 'traitors' - for many did so, just because it was a job and a means to earn an income - but, at the same time we should not elevate them as 'heroes' of an independent Malaysia.

Recognizing the police that served in Bukit Kepong as 'heroes' would also means that the British police and armed forces were all the 'heroes' - and this would make all those who fought the British for independence into 'enemies' and 'anti-nationals', would it not.

Members of the police force and the armed forces, only after independence was achieved, who fought for the preservation of independent Malaysia would (or may be) be heroes, and before independence, it is all those who fought the British for independence who are the heroes - the real heroes of Malaysia.




See also an earlier posting:-

Bukit Kepong - would not the persons who attacked a British police station in 1950 be Malaysian freedom fighters - not terrorists.









Sunday, September 04, 2011

BAR: Government action against human trafficking must be grounded in rule of law

Press Release
 
Government action against human trafficking must be grounded in rule of law

The Malaysian Government has responded to the decision of the High Court of Australia to declare invalid the so-called “refugee swap deal” by insisting that the arrangement was, “the best way to tackle the menace of people traffickers in a way that protects the interests of Australia, Malaysia and, above all, the immigrants involved”.

If protecting the interests of the immigrants involved is indeed the goal, the Malaysian Bar then questions the decision of the Malaysian Government to deport 11 Chinese nationals of Uighur ethnicity back to China on 18 August 2011.  According to Minister of Home Affairs Dato’ Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein, these 11 Uighurs were involved in human trafficking and were wanted by the Chinese Government.

This action is questionable, given that we have an Anti-Trafficking in Persons and Anti-Smuggling of Migrants Act 2007 that is capable of dealing with foreign nationals allegedly involved in people trafficking or migrant smuggling.  There was no pressing need for the Malaysian Government to deport the 11 Uighurs back to China if it genuinely wanted to address the issue of people trafficking or migrant smuggling.  They should have been prosecuted here instead, and their victims of human trafficking safeguarded in Malaysia.  However, they have been deported to China, and nothing has been heard about protecting their human trafficking victims.  There is also no information about the whereabouts of the 11 Uighurs, what has happened to them, or indeed whether or not they are still alive.  One of the 11 is married to a Malaysian.

In the Australian situation, the Malaysian Government wanted to have an arrangement with the Australian Government even though Malaysia did not have the requisite legal regime.  In the Chinese situation, even though the necessary legislation is in place, the Malaysian Government chose instead to relinquish legal jurisdiction over the 11 Uighurs and hand them back to China.  The inconsistent actions raise questions about the purpose and motive of the act of deportation. 

The Uighurs, who are predominantly Muslim, rebelled against Chinese Government rule in their native Xinjiang Province in July 2009.  From that perspective, the deportation of the 11 Uighurs back to China raises grave concerns whether the Malaysian Government refouled potential refugees or asylum seekers in violation of international law.  We are given to understand that the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees in Kuala Lumpur was denied access to these 11 Uighurs and was therefore unable to ascertain whether they were in a position to make an asylum claim.  

This follows the decision by the Malaysian Government to release eight immigration officials who were said to have been involved in a human trafficking ring.  These officers were arrested under the Internal Security Act 1960 in October 2010 and then subsequently released in August 2011 without charge.  Again, nothing has been mentioned about protecting their human trafficking victims.  By its very failure to take further legal action, the Malaysian Government is placing in jeopardy its integrity in respect of human trafficking.

The public is left with little choice than to view the Malaysian Government’s dithering action in respect of human trafficking as being dictated more by foreign and domestic political considerations rather than a sincere desire to do what is right.  


Lim Chee Wee
President
Malaysian Bar
 
2 Sept 2011

Sistem M-P, tak perlu pihak ketiga 'pemungut tol pekerja'...

Di parlimen, ada sebuah pindaan Akta Kerja 1955, yang jika diluluskan akan melemahkan pekerja dan kesatuan pekerja, serta membawa kepada ketidak-adilan.

Untuk sesuatu hubungan pekerjaan yang adil, ia mestilah satu perhubungan terus di antara majikan (pemilik/pengusaha kilang, ladang atau tempat kerja) yang memerlukan pekerja, DAN pekerja itu sendiri.  Tak perlu orang tengah (middle man).

MAJIKAN (pemilik/pengusaha tempat pekerja) - PEKERJA
(M-P)

Kini, di Malaysia, kerajaan BN Malaysia untuk beberapa tahun telah membenarkan satu entiti baru, yang dikenali sebagai "outsourcing agent/company", di mana permit saperti A.P. sebelum ini mungkin telah diberikan kepada kroni-kroni tertentu tetapi ini hanya dakwaan kosong sahaja yang memerlukan penyiasatan lebih untuk mendedahkan kebenaran atau kepalsuan allegasi ini.

MAJIKAN (pemilik/pengusaha...) - OUTSOURCING AGEN - PEKERJA
(M-O-P)

Mungkin pada asalnya, 'outsourcing ejen' ini tidak dimaksudkan untuk dijadikan (atau terus kekal sebagai) majikan pekerja yang dibekalkan kepada MAJIKAN sebenar.... tetapi keadaan ini telah berlaku - dan kerajaan BN telah berdiam diri dan tidak membenteras aktiviti, yang saya percayai adalah perlanggaran undang-undang sedia ada, dan kini kerajaan BN mahu pula meminda Akta Kerja sedia ada untuk menghalalkan sesuatu yang kini haram bercanggah dengan undang sedia ada.

Dalam situasi M-O-P, majikan[M] akan membayar katakan RM60 kepada Outsourcing Ejen[O], yang akan mengambil bahagian mereka dan membayar pekerja[P] RM20. Jika pekerja bekerja overtime, atau kerja cuti am,... M akan membayar O lebih dan O akan membayar P lebih. Ini seakan-akan sistem TOL untuk pekerja, di mana pembayaran yang diterima oleh tukang tol adalah biasanya lebih kurang 2 kali lebih gaji harian pekerja.
 
Dalam sistem M-O-P - pekerja bukan di anggap sebagai 'employee' M - dan oleh itu tidak ada hak menyertai kesatuan pekerja di M, atau melibatkan diri dalam 'collective bargaining' atau mendapat apa-apa faedah daripada 'collective agreement'...atau ,membuat apa-apa tuntutan terus kepada M untuk memperbaiki keadaan tempat kerja dan sebagainya...

Dalam sistem M-O-P, M tidak akan lagi mempunyai apa-apa obligasi atau tanggungjawab sebagai majikan....

Masalahnya, O tidak ada kuasa atau kawalan mengenai cara kerja atau tempat kerja atau masa kerja, di mana ini bermakna pekerja sukar meminta apa-apa perbaharuan keadaan kerj dan hal perkara kerja. Itu salah satu sebab mengapa saya membantah O diberikan status majikan pekerja yang kerja di kilang M - M harus menjadi majikan. O mestilah dijadikan ejensi pekerjaan swasta yang hanya bekalkan pekerja, menerima fi mereka, dan pekerja setelah dibekalkan harus menjadi pekerja M.

O sebenarnya tidak ada tempat kerja atau kerja sendiri untuk pekerja - mereka hanya dalam industri membekal pekerja, di mana mereka ,membekalkan beberapa pekerja untuk kilang ini, dan beberapa pekerja untuk kilang itu, beberapa pekerja untuk ladang ini, dan beberapa pekerja untuk restoran ini - maka, bagaimana pekerja O ini boleh berjumpa satu sama lain, dan menubuhkan kesatuan(union) sendiri - bagaimana boleh mereka bincang hal perkara pekerjaan kerana (1) O tidak ada kawalan tempat kerja atau keadaan kerja, (2) semua pekerja O mempunyai situasi kerja berlainan - amat sukar untuk mereka bersatu dan berbincang dengan majikan mereka ini untuk isu gaji, shif kerja, masa kerja dan lain-lain isu berkaitan kerja (3) secara otomatis, mereka akan kehilangan hak terus menjadi ahli kesatuan pekerja peringkat negeri, region atau nasional kerana - mereka ini akan di anggap pekerja sektor mana?
 
O mula-mula hanya berurusan dengan pekerja migran - tetapi kini berurusan dengan juga pekerja tempatan...daripada Sabah, Sarawak da Semenanjung...Ada majikan yang cuba melepaskan diri daripada menjadi majikan dan sudah mula mengunakan pekerja bekalan O di tempat kerja mereka...

Jika pindaan akta dibenarkan, 
a) Pembekal pekerja akan dijadikan majikan - 
 
b) Tol Pekerja akan menjadi realiti - RM40 sehari untung dari satu pekerja,,...untuk 2 juta pekerja migran, RM80 juta sehari...jika ditambah pekerja tambahan - keuntungan boleh mencapai RM160 juta...atau lebih sehari. Itulah sebab kroni yang berjaya mendapat permit dan kelulusan perlu akan untung besar... (kini untuk pendaftaran 'biometrik' pekerja asing, tidak salah untuk kita menyatakan bahawa ramai O mendapat 'business baru' - )
 
c) 1 Kilang tetapi semua pekerja bukan 'employee' kilang - maka kuasa 'Trade Union' atau pekerja untuk bersatu dan berjuang untuk mendapatkan gaji lebih baik atau keadaan kerja lebih baik akan secara otomatis dilemahkan.. atau terus dimusnahkan...
 
d) Diskriminasi akan berlaku ditempat kerja - kerja sama tapi gaji/faedah berlainan...
 
Pindaan Akta ini mesti dihalang...

Apa yang sangat merunsingkan adalah pihak pimpinan gerakan pekerja nampaknya terlalu senyap .... kali ini. Pada tahun lepas, apabila kerajaan BN cuba pindaan yang sama pada pertengahan tahun 2010 - banyak protest sehingga cadangan pindaan tersebut ditarik balik pada bulan Oktober 2010.. Pada Jun 2011, usaha kali kedua kerajaan BN membawa pindaan hampir sama tidak mendapatkan tentangan sama daripada MTUC, gerakan pekerja, pihak parti pembangkang, dsb...Mungkin ada protes, tetapi kali ini pihak media telah diberikan 'arahan' untuk jangan memberikan ruang...Jika MTUC atau gerakan 'kesatuan pekerja' tidak tampil ke hadapan, dan memimpin perjuangan ini, mungkin kita perlukan pihak lain memberikan kepimpinan untuk perjuang yang akan melibatkan hak semua pekerja di Malaysia

Saperti perhimpunan untuk hak mendapatkan pilihanraya yang bebas dan bersih - mungkin perlu himpunan pekerja kini dan akan datang untuk memaklumkan kepada kerajaan BN apa pendapat rakyat mengenai syor pindaan undang-undang yang memihak majikan ini, yang hanya membantu 'outsourcing ejen' dan 'TOL PEKERJA'...

Kami tidak mahu satu kilang - dan ramai majikan, di mana ini akan berlaku jika sistem M-O-P dibenarkan wujud. Kita mahukan sistem M-P, tak perlu pihak ketiga pemungut tol pekerja...


SATU KILANG SATU MAJIKAN SATU KESATUAN PEKERJA

Thursday, September 01, 2011

Migrants, you can complain - but sorry no 'intepreters', no assurance for security,...

Well, the government said that the fees for registration is RM35, and the fees chargeable for the legalization process is RM300... What if the migrants were 'cheated' and asked to pay more than required...what can they do? Where can they lodge their complaints?

1 - Police - for clearly it is a crime;
2 - SUHAKAM - Human Rights Commission;
3 - Public Complaints Bureau;
4 - Consumer Tribunal

But the problem is whether there are officers/interpreters that are there at the place of complaint to assist migrants who want to lodge complaints...

And when they do lodge complaints, will these bodies protect the complainants from repercussions ....

Why was there just not a phone number - where one could complain to...just like the ones we have at the back of lorries and busses...

Anyway, there is also still the question of the 'legality' of these agents that is doing the registration of migrants?  What law authorizes the appointment of these agents, and the giving of these licences?  Odd also that it was 'interested parties', i.e. 'outsourcing agents', etc that were given these licences and opportunity to make money...It was FREE to register directly with the Immigration Department, so why allow agents to collect fees - is this not discriminatory? 

Biometric Identification system has problems - that is what the Election Commission is now saying, so have we just wasted so much time, money, working hours,... for something that has been found to be 'inefficient'...

There are 1.9 million documented migrants in Malaysia - and the first thing that Malaysia should do, is that all these migrants receive information about the law, their rights, where they can complaint and how, etc is available to every migrant in their own language. Then make sure, there are officers/interpreters there at places where the migrants go to lodge complaints - i.e. police station, immigration dept, Labour Departments, SUHAKAM...and Consumer Tribunals.., and when complaints are lodged, they are dealt with speedily and efficiently..

Remember, the poor workers, including migrants, really cannot afford to take a day off to go lodge complaints - so, really we need to have these points of complaints operating 24 hours to be accessible to all workers....



KUALA LUMPUR: Legal foreign workers and illegal immigrants who paid exorbitant charges for registration under the 6P amnesty and legalisation programme could file a case under the consumer tribunal to get back the excess money they had paid.

This advice comes from former consumer tribunal chairman Pretam Singh Darshan Singh.
The government has fixed RM35 as maximum rate for registration of illegal immigrants through 348 appointed managing companies, while the maximum service charge for legalisation is RM300.

However, noted Pretam, thousands of illegal immigrants had paid more than the stipulated amount.

"(Therefore) Those who have been charged more than what is necessary could file a case (to recover the excess) under the consumer tribunal.

"The laws relating to exorbitant registration charges comes under misleading conduct, false representation and unfair practice.

"Those who misrepresent the cost of the service could be charged under the Consumer Protection Act 1999.

"In such a consciousness, foreigners who have been duped into paying the additional cost may file their cases," he told Bernama in an exclusive interview here Wednesday.

The 6P programme stands for Comprehensive Settlement of Foreign Worker Programme and illegal immigrants. It is a programme package that incorporates several recommendations made by the Management Lab Foreigner (MPWA) as the latest approach by the Government to strengthen management of foreign citizens in Malaysia.

Since 2000, the consumer tribunal has been in place to protect the rights of the consumer.

Pretam said the consumer tribunal provided an alternative for the illegal immigrant to claim for any losses incurred, in a less cumbersome and speedy manner, and at minimal cost. "It is also to hear and determine claims in an independent manner and they (illegal immigrants) need to produce the receipts and documents as an alternative channel or facility for their claims," he added.

Wednesday is the deadline to register under the 6P amnesty programme.

Over 2.5 million foreign workers had registered since the operation began on July 13.

Of the number, 1.6 million were legal foreign workers while the rest were illegals. - Bernama - Star, 1/9/2011, Immigrants have rights in consumer tribunal: ex-chairman

Wednesday, August 31, 2011

Australian High Court decision uphold human rights for Australian asylum seekers

The Australian High Court Judgment is to be found below...first read the report in the Australian media.


1)   The country must be legally bound by international law or its own domestic law to: 
2)   provide access for asylum seekers to effective procedures for assessing their need for protection; 
3)   provide protection for asylum seekers pending determination of their refugee status; and provide protection for persons given refugee status pending their voluntary return to their country of origin or their resettlement in another country. 

In addition to these criteria, .... that the country meet certain human rights standards in providing that protection.

It is time for Malaysia to enact laws for the recognition of refugees and asylum seekers - in which there would also be clear provisions how Malaysia will deal with people who come to Malaysia claiming refugee status...or political/social/economic/... asylum status.

Better still if Malaysia could ratify the UN Declaration and related conventions on refugees, maybe even migrant workers and their families - but Malaysia, really is not likely to do this - so the very least that Malaysia should do is to have its own laws to deal with refugees/asylum seekers...

No deal: High Court kills off Malaysian asylum seeker plan

The ruling could spell the end of the government's plans for off-shore processing. Picture: Stephen Cooper Source: The Daily Telegraph
Boat people
 
THE High Court has vetoed the Malaysian asylum seeker swap in a ruling that has smashed the Government's entire strategy to halt people smugglers.

It also could spell the end of its plans to set up any off-shore processing of refugee applications.

The Full Bench, in an expedited judgment, found by six to one that Malaysia was not bound to look after the human rights of the 400 asylum seekers now under Australian care.

It found Immigration Minister Chris Bowen could not declare Malaysia to be a country where people could be sent to be processed as refugees.

The court ruled that no country could receive asylum seekers from Australia unless it was legally bound by international law or its own domestic law to provide access for asylum seekers to protection pending processing of their applications for refugee status.

Malaysia is not a signatory of the United Nations conventions on refugees.

“Today the High Court held invalid the Minister for Immigration and Citizenship's declaration of Malaysia as a country to which asylum seekers who entered Australia at Christmas Island can be taken for processing of their asylum claims,'' said a statement from the court.

“After an expedited hearing before the Full Bench, the court by majority made permanent the injunctions that had been granted earlier and restrained the minister from taking to Malaysia two asylum seekers who arrived at Christmas Island, as part of a larger group, less than four weeks ago.''

The matter came before the nation's superior court after an application made on behalf of a 16-year-old boy and a 24-year-old Afghan man who, their lawyer said, were petrified with fear about being sent to Malaysia.

The High Court spent a day-and-a-half considering the issue before reserving its ruling until today.

One issue raised by the legal team for the detainees on Christmas Island was the ability of Australia to guarantee the human rights of the 800 asylum seekers sent to Malaysia.

Commonwealth Solicitor-General Steven Gagler told the court the agreement and declaration of Malaysia as a suitable destination was legal and met the obligations Australia has under the UN refugee convention.

Liberal immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said before the ruling was handed down that a victory for the Government would not mean endorsement of the merits of the swap deal.

“If the Government is successful today in the High Court then that would basically just be an acknowledgment by the court that the minister has the power to make this decision,'' Mr Morrison told ABC Radio.

“It won't be any reflection of whether it's a good policy or a bad policy or whether it's a policy that provides protection to refugees. It will simply be a decision by the court about the minister's powers under the act."

Mr Morrison later called the ruling “a devastating blow for a grossly incompetent government’’.

“This is part of a continuing pattern of failure from a Government that just can’t get anything right,’’ Mr Morrison said.

Legal experts said the Government’s only option might be to change legislation, but it would be unlikely to get the backing of the Greens and Liberals to pass legal changes.

“It’s difficult to see how this situation could be rectified,’’ ANU law professor Penny Matthews told SkyNews.

“Malaysia would have to become party to relevant treaties in an awful hurry and they are not necessarily going to do that.

“So I think this means it’s the end of the Malaysian swap.’’

Prof Matthews said the Government might be able to continue with plans to set up a processing centre on Papua-New Guinea’s Manus Island if it can overcome the country’s approach to human rights.

“With Papua-New Guinea it is a party to the refugee convention although it does have significant reservations,’’ she said.

“When countries become party to a treaty they can say there are certain provisions they will not abide by.

“So Papua-New Guinea for example has significant reservations about the right to liberty in the refugee convention.’’
The Opposition denies the decision would also undermine its chief option of re-opening the detention centre in Nauru.

The court was specific about that in their commentary in the judgement, and Nauru is set to sign the convention, Mr Morrison told news.com.au.

Immigration Minister Chris Bowen this afternoon said people smugglers will capitalise on the court decision.

He said the High Court had applied “a new test to how protection should be demonstrated''.

“Clearly, that is something that had not been understood before,'' he said, defending the Government's legal advice.

Mr Bowen declined to rule out sending people to Nauru but said urgent legal advice was needed with regard to other off-shore processing proposals.

He added it “is a significant blow'' to the Government's efforts to stop people smugglers, who had been in retreat since the Malaysian plan was announced on May 7.

“You can expect people smugglers to be capitalising on this arrangement, and to say, You can come to Australia now because the Malaysia agreement has been ruled invalid by the High Court,'' the minister told reporters.

He said Cabinet would consider the fate of the 330 boat people who were to have been sent to Malaysia.

Australia will take all the 4000 processed refugees to come from Malaysia, but might reduce the overall humanitarian intake to fit them in.

“I have a responsibility to see this job through,'' said Mr Bowen.

“It's a difficult job. It's perhaps, it would be fair to say, the hardest job I've ever done.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/high-court-rules-malaysian-swap-deal-unlawful/story-e6frfkvr-1226126528979#ixzz1WbDkdVmW

31 August 2011

PLAINTIFF M70/2011 v MINISTER FOR IMMIGRATION AND CITIZENSHIP

PLAINTIFF M106 OF 2011 BY HIS LITIGATION GUARDIAN, PLAINTIFF M70/2011 v MINISTER FOR IMMIGRATION AND CITIZENSHIP

Today the High Court held invalid the Minister for Immigration and Citizenship's declaration of Malaysia as a country to which asylum seekers who entered Australia at Christmas Island can be taken for processing of their asylum claims.  After an expedited hearing before the Full Bench, the Court by majority made permanent the injunctions that had been granted earlier and restrained the Minister from taking to Malaysia two asylum seekers who arrived at Christmas Island, as part of a larger group, less than four weeks ago.

The Court also decided that an unaccompanied asylum seeker who is under 18 years of age may not lawfully be taken from Australia without the Minister's written consent under the Immigration (Guardianship of Children) Act 1946 (Cth).  The Court granted an injunction restraining the Minister from removing the second plaintiff, an Afghan citizen aged 16, from Australia without that consent.

The Court held that, under s 198A of the Migration Act 1958 (Cth), the Minister cannot validly declare a country (as a country to which asylum seekers can be taken for processing) unless that country is legally bound to meet three criteria.; The country must be legally bound by international law or its own domestic law to: provide access for asylum seekers to effective procedures for assessing their need for protection; provide protection for asylum seekers pending determination of their refugee status; and provide protection for persons given refugee status pending their voluntary return to their country of origin or their resettlement in another country.  In addition to these criteria, the Migration Act requires that the country meet certain human rights standards in providing that protection.

The Court also held that the Minister has no other power under the Migration Act to remove from Australia asylum seekers whose claims for protection have not been determined.  They can only be taken to a country validly declared under s 198A to be a country that provides the access and the protections and meets the standards described above.  The general powers of removal of "unlawful non-citizens" given by the Migration Act (in particular s 198) cannot be used when the Migration Act has made specific provision for the taking of asylum seekers who are offshore entry persons and whose claims have not been processed to another country, and has specified particular statutory criteria that the country of removal must meet.

On the facts which the parties had agreed, the Court held that Malaysia is not legally bound to provide the access and protections the Migration Act requires for a valid declaration.  Malaysia is not a party to the Refugees Convention or its Protocol.  The Arrangement which the Minister signed with the Malaysian Minister for Home Affairs on 25 July 2011 said expressly that it was not legally binding.  The parties agreed that Malaysia is not legally bound to, and does not, recognise the status of refugee in its domestic law.  They agreed that Malaysia does not itself undertake any activities related to the reception, registration, documentation or status determination of asylum seekers and refugees.  Rather, the parties agreed, Malaysia permits the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees ("UNHCR") to undertake those activities in Malaysia and allows asylum seekers to remain in Malaysia while UNHCR does so. 

The Court emphasised that, in deciding whether the Minister's declaration of Malaysia was valid, it expressed no view about whether Malaysia in fact meets relevant human rights standards in dealing with asylum seekers or refugees or whether asylum seekers in that country are treated fairly or appropriately.  The Court's decision was based upon the criteria which the Minister must apply before he could make a declaration under s 198A.

This statement is not intended to be a substitute for the reasons of the High Court or to be used in any later consideration of the Court’s reasons.

Sunday, August 21, 2011

Najib's exceptionall win in 2008 GE may require further inquiry

In the 2008 elections, there was something odd about Pekan. In 1999, Najib won with a majority of 241, and in 2004 this majority grew to 22,922, and in 2008, when the whole country, especially the Peninsular, suffered a loss of support for BN, Najib's majority increased to 26,464

In 1999,  26,055 persons cast their votes (and that was 73.2% of all voters), and in 2008, 47,869 (82.2%) voted, and in light of the revelations today - one wonder whether there was some hanky panky. There could have been a change of heart amongst those who voted in 1999, or there may be just too many 'new voters' in 2008, about 21,814 and almost all of them voted for Najib and BN. Why did this happen when the general trend was towards a rejection of BN?


Below, a posting entitled "The Pekan Electoral Miracle", which I found whilst surfing the net which may be interesting readinbg. I have not had the time to check the facts contained therein. I must state that the posting of this blog-post by one 'guansin' in no way should be construed as being my endorsement or support for what is stated therein. It is merely one persons comments and views, and we should always consider different views, comments and analysis and make up our own mind.

In comparison, my views on this matter,as appeared in an earlier posting of mine, relying on information obtained from the SPR website is to be found below.


The Pekan electoral miracle

Today I want to be a little academic, by defining a term that I coin: Pekan electoral miracle.

It refers to a phenomenon whereby the incumbent candidate of a parliamentary seat has managed to turn around his fortune from a slim majority of 241 votes in 1999 to a majority of 22,922 in 2004, and eventually to a majority of 26,464 in 2008 (”the extreme peak”).

The phenomenon occurs in, guess what, Pekan, of course, hence the name “Pekan electoral miracle”. The incumbent candidate is none other than the prime minister-in-waiting and the current finance minister Najib Tun Razak.

See details below.
pekan-details

The phenomenon is special in two ways:
  1. the upswing of 2004 (from 1999) is extraordinary in scale, usually beyond any practicality in any real electoral campaign;
  2. the increase in majority in 2008, even after the extraordinary upswing of 2004, goes against the norm of 2008 general elections.
First point is easy to illustrate, as shown in the chart below:
pekan-majority

The upswing of 2004 is 9,500% in 1999 term. The extraordinary scale is partially diluted by the increase in total votes from 1999 to 2004. Factoring this in (by measuring as a proportion to the total votes), the upswing of 2004 is still a staggering 6,494%. In one is to translate this into reality, it means either drastic change of mind in large proportion of the voters in Pekan, or the incumbent was doing extremely well on the campaign, or something unexplained is at play.

To illustrate point 2, I put Pekan into two sets of comparative analysis. In the first analysis, Pekan is analysed along its neighbouring constituencies. The idea here is that if there are large number of people changing their mind, it should not be restricted to people within a particular area. I want to prove this (large number of people changing their mind) is not the case. In the second analysis, Pekan is compared to three other seats held by BN leaders of equal stature to the incumbent of Pekan. The idea here is to test two factors: Malaysia’s elections are generally going by party line and swing of voters are more or less consistent across the country.

According to the electoral map on undi.info below, Rompin, Kuantan, Paya Besar and Maran are its neighbours.
pekan-map

Below is the details of first analysis comparing Pekan to its neighbouring seats:
pekan-neighbours1
pekan-neighbours-chart1
The trend demonstrated by Pekan from 1999 to 2008 is clearly extraordinary.

In the second comparative analysis, Pekan (Najib Tun Razak) is compared against Kepala Batas (Abdullah Badawi), Pagoh (Muhyiddin Md Yassin) and Johor Bahru (Shahrir Abdul Samad).

pekan-peers
pekan-peers-chart

Pekan was clearly going against the trend in 2008.

With these extraordinary observations in Pekan, the only conclusion is “miracle”. Hence the phenomenon called Pekan electoral miracle.

Since miracle does not and should not happen too often, we can only hope that Kuala Terengganu, which is holding its by-election polling tomorrow, is not another one. - Source: AirKosong.com Blog

See also an earlier post in 2008, in which I discussed this oddity in the results of PEKAN, an extract from this post is as follows:-

My only concern is the corruption, the threats and promises which may be there in the coming Permatang Pauh Parliamentary election - and beware, Najib may lead the campaign for the BN and there are still questions how Najib did so well in the last GE2008 by winning with a majority of 26,464, compared to a majority of 22,922 (2004) and 241 (1999).

GE2008:
P85 - PEKANTurnout : 47869 (82.2%) Spoilt: 1261
Voters: 58217

 * Mohd Najib Abdul Razak (BN - UMNO)36262Maj: 26464
Khairul Anuar Ahmad Zainudin (OPP - PKR)9798


GE2004
Mohd Najib Abdul Razak (BN - UMNO)31956Maj: 22922
Zakaria Dahlan (OPP - PAS)9034












General Elections 1999
Ramli Mohamed (OPP PAS)
12907
Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak (BN UMNO)
13148


Total Votes cast % Votes cast Spoilt Votes Majority Votes
26055 73.2 631 241
Well, when results all over the country saw an increase in votes for the opposition and a decrease of votes for the BN candidate - Mohd Najib Abdul Razak saw an increase. Either, the constituents really liked this man OR... Anyway, the involvement of Najib in the Permatang Pauh by-elections must be a concern for Anwar .. - Wan Azizah, Permatang Pauh, Anwar and "arrest'

Saturday, August 20, 2011

Teoh Beng Hock RCI - Was it an investigation or a justification exercise?

I am just shocked and  disappointed with the findings of the Royal Commission of Inquiry (RCI).
Did anyone see him committing suicide? Was it recorded by any CCTV?
Did Teoh Beng Hock have suicidal tendencies before? Was there any psychological evaluation done before the death? If no, how can you even make conclusions/assumptions of whether he is 'suicidal' or likely to be 'suicidal'? This was a young man in the prime of his life - with a great future ahead of him - a most unlikely candidate for suicide, a most unlikely person to open window and jump out to his death at the MACC building
Having read what I knew about Teoh Beng Hock - he certainly does not seem a person who will commit suicide -- and for what? the MACC investigations? the possibility of being charged in court and found guilty?

I wonder whether the inquiry was an inquiry at all - or was it just an exercise to paint a convincing story that it was suicide - an exercise of justification?
Must read the full report though before making any final conclusions, and the above are just my initial impressions on what I have read this far. Is the report of the RCI available free online, which should be the case? 

TBH 'suicide' finding: Impossible does not happen
CT Wong
Aug 20, 11
11:36am

Extracts from Teoh Beng Hock Royal Commission of Enquiry:

Decision on the second term of reference:
[119] "Having considered all the evidence in its entirety, we found that TBH was driven to commit suicide by the aggressive, relentless, oppressive and unscrupulous interrogation to which he was subjected by certain officers of the MACC who were in the ongoing operation by the Selangor MACC on the night of the 15th and into the morning of the 16th."


Forensic psychiatric aspects:

NONE[233] "Tormented by this predicament, TBH experienced a change in his state of mind. And in a matter of hours, this change transformed him from being in the low-risk group for suicide into the high-risk group. The doubts, extreme emotional conflict and the immense feeling of guilt were all intolerable. Finally, precipitating the irreversible crisis that happened to him between 3.30am and 7am on the 16th, was the last straw that broke the camel's back.

Finding no viable strategies to surmount the hurdle of accusations levelled, he found himself unable to escape from the suffocating quagmire in which he was trapped. TBH would have felt trapped and have succumbed to despair. Since the window on the 14th floor was either open or could be easily opened and it was conspicuous and easily accessible near where he was on the sofa outside Nasdzri's room, TBH would have found that the only way for escape from the torment he was undergoing was by jumping out of the window, even though it meant taking his own life...."

Introduction

Self-inflicted death must have meaning and a reason. In Teoh Beng Hock's death, we find neither meaning nor a reason for taking his own life, if we accept the findings of the TBH royal commission of inquiry.

azlanSuicide is rare. It is even rarer for a normal person without abnormal psychology to commit suicide.

It is hard to believe suicide can happen within few hours of experiencing trauma. Hopelessness as an acute warning sign of suicide most often takes time to develop, days or weeks if not months. RCI has confirmed that TBH was "driven to commit suicide" within hours. The impossible does not happen and the improbable only happens very rarely.

This suicide verdict goes very much against common sense and the intuition of many Malaysians. A closer look is hence necessary to critically examine how the RCI arrived at such conclusion and whether the RCI has proved TBH's intention to suicide.

The focus of study here is essentially of the psychological aspects of the section on 'Forensic psychiatric aspects', pages 64 to 72 of the Report of the Royal Commission of Enquiry into the death of Teoh Beng Hock (hereafter called RCI).

Serious flaws in RCI conjecture

NONERCI evaluated the evidence from forensic pathology and concluded that TBH fell to his death; and from forensic psychiatry that TBH would have jumped to his death. These conclusions are used as reasons to support the suicide verdict that TBH was driven to commit suicide.

However, there are serious flaws observed in RCI's argument. The authenticity of the evidence of intention to suicide used to support the claim is doubtful. Also, the inference from evidence to the conclusion of suicide is invalid and unsound.

The commissioners' method of reconstructing TBH's psychological state prior to death is questionable. The suicide verdict is examined here from the perspective of suicide.

Making attributions minus the proof


One of the two main terms of reference as spelt out in the RCI is "...to enquire into the death of Teoh Beng Hock and the circumstances surrounding and contributing to his death. It does not state clearly whether 'death' means the cause of death (e.g. major injuries, heart attack etc.) or the manner of death (natural causes, accident, homicide or suicide)."

teoh beng hock plaza masalam macc sprm 160709 candlelight vigil flower pictureBy RCI's verdict of the enquiry, it had taken to itself the responsibility to determine the manner or mode of death.

As for the requirement of the level of proof, RCI stated that their finding would be based on "a balance of probabilities sliding to proof beyond reasonable doubt" (RCI pp.5). This means RCI claims its standard of proof is very high. Also, it says that in order to "understand the probability that TBH took his own life", it is crucial to know TBH's traits of character and his changing states of mind (RCI, pp 64).

It is clear from the above that RCI intended to use the language of probability in the reasoning in the argument. However, the RCI commissioners used the language of certainty when giving the verdict of "driven to commit suicide"; it does not say something like "TBH probably or most probably was driven to commit suicide", but asserted that TBH was "driven to commit suicide".

The commissioners should not use categorical terms of suicide in absolute certainty as the precise mental state of the deceased could not be known.
Purported intention to suicide unconvincing
When read closely, the RCI para [233] on "conclusion on forensic psychiatric aspects" does not confirm that TBH intended to commit suicide but speculated that TBH must have committed suicide:

seri kembangan memorial teoh beng hock 190709 wreath"...TBH would have found that the only way for escape from the torment he was undergoing was by jumping out of the window, even though it meant taking his own life." (RCI, pp 72).
However, such speculation is used as the reason to come to the suicide verdict: "...Having considered all the evidence in its entirety, we found that TBH was driven to commit by the aggressive, relentless, oppressive and unscrupulous interrogation to which he was subjected by certain officers of the MACC.." (RCI, pp 37).

Para [233] is of utmost importance in determining whether TBH had the intention to suicide. RCI was unable to confirm the intention to suicide and yet it confirmed suicide had occurred. This is a deep contradiction and the inference is seriously flawed.

RCI is using strange logic intelligible only to itself. It runs something like this: Teoh Beng Hock would have found suicide as the only way out. Therefore, TBH committed suicide. Speculation has then become hard fact. There is little wonder that the public refuses to accept the verdict.

But, why must RCI deliver a suicide verdict? Why not an open verdict? We do not know for what reasons the commissioners felt compelled or were compelled to make a verdict that contradicts its own reasoning. With an unconvincing verdict, the reasoning itself in the RCI needs to be examined critically.

Missing mark in suicide definition

According to De Leo, Burgis, Bertolote, Kerkhof and Bille-Brahe (2006), the World Health Organisation working group had proposed a standard definition for the study of suicide:

NONE"Suicide is an act with a fatal outcome which the deceased, knowing or expressing a fatal outcome had initiated and carried out with the purpose of provoking the changes he desired (WHO/Euro, 1986)".

The key elements of the WHO's definition involve: 1) an awareness that action has fatal outcome, 2) the self-responsibility of the subject both to initiate and to carry out the suicidal behaviour and 3) the intention to bring about wanted changes.

RCI's verdict of "driven to suicide" is not in accordance with WHO's definition of suicidal behaviour. RCI's speculation of TBH's thinking of "...would have found that the only way of escape...jumping out of the window" can only be described as suicidal thoughts rather than an act that was initiated and carried out by TBH himself.

By WHO's definition, one cannot force another to commit suicide without one's intention to commit suicide. One can force another to kill him/herself which is considered as homicidal. In 22 state and three territories of the United States of America, even assisting in suicide is a crime and the charge is murder.

RCI has not proved the crucial elements of suicide: (1) the locus of origin (self-initiated) and (2) the intention (to cause, or not to cause death). Neither has RCI proved that TBH was aware or conscious of the potential of fatal outcome.

The RCI verdict is therefore conceptually illogical.

RCI lacking legitimate psychology data

To establish suicide or suicidal behaviour, from the legal point of point of view, both the physical act (actus reas) and the mental element (mens reas) must be present; the mental element is intentionality i.e. the intention to suicide. It is self-evident that evidence must be produced to support any claims of suicide as the manner of death.

From the psychological point of view, the legitimate data which can or should be used as evidence are derived from experimental methods, observations and introspections.

There are 4 different types of data:
  • behavioural data;
  • personal accounts of inner experience;
  • symbolic data (symbolic creations of the mind such as texts or the language used);and,
  • material data like the biological data and neuropsychological data
Behaviour is what can be seen or observed from the outside. The data gained and evaluated is called outsider viewpoint without going into the mental state of the subjects studied.

The inner experiences involve the feelings, emotions, beliefs, thoughts, reasons, motives and intentions. The data gained/evaluated is called the insider viewpoint.

These cannot be seen directly from outside and can only be accessible to others through verbal or written reports or inferred from non-verbal behaviour.

Insider viewpoint without evidence

RCI had provided an insider viewpoint of TBH's psychological state of mind without giving any basis of how the data of inner experiences were collected and evaluated. It is more appropriate to say that RCI reconstructed the reality of TBH's psychological state in such a way that the suicide verdict is inescapable. This is a serious flaw of RCI's reasoning.

The relevant passage is found in RCI para [233] page 72 (in italics below) and my comment run as follows:

a) "Tormented by this predicament, TBH experienced a change in his state of mind."

My comments: How did the commissioners know of TBH's torment of predicament and inner experience of psychological changes? What evidence?

b) "And in a matter of hours, this change transformed him from being in the low-risk group for suicide into the high-risk group."

My comments: Why the immediate grouping into suicidal and not other category? How likely is that within a matter of hours a person becomes suicidal? Having suicidal thoughts is different from suicidal behaviour. What evidence of suicidal behaviour is there with TBH?

c) "The doubts, extreme emotional conflict and the immense feeling of guilt were all intolerable."

My comments: Guilt is an inner emotion and thought. How do the commissioners know? What evidence of TBH's inner feelings was being manifested?

d) "Finally, precipitating the irreversible crisis that happened to him between 3.30am and 7.00 on the 16th, was the last straw that broke the camel's back."

My comments: Metaphor is no substitute for hard evidence. What really happened?

e) "Finding no viable strategies to surmount the hurdle of accusations levelled, he found himself unable to escape from the suffocating quagmire in which he was trapped."

My comments: When and how did the commissioners know that TBH knew of no other viable strategies?

f) "Losing all hope, TBH would have felt trapped and have succumbed to despair."

My comments: When and how did the commissioners know that TBH had lost all hope?

NONEg) "Since the window on the 14th floor was either open or could be easily opened and it was conspicuous..., TBH would have found that the only way for escape from the torment he was undergoing was by jumping out of the window, even though it meant taking his own life."

My comments: How did the commissioners know TBH's intention to suicide?

The above reconstruction sounds more like a survivor's account of a suicide attempt.

Reconstruction and interpretation of suicidal thoughts and behaviour must relate to legitimate data. Without a proper and sound method of data collection and interpretation, we can only infer that the data is manufactured out of imagination.

RCI couldn't have known

RCI had used various terms like "extreme emotional conflict", "guilt...all intolerable", "irreversible crisis", "losing all hope", "succumbed to despair" to give an account TBH's subjective psychological state of mind after the interrogations.

Then, they described TBH's judgement of the extreme situation as "no viable strategies", "unable to escape" and "trapped". The depiction of TBH's immense emotional turmoil and the judgement of "no escape" was framed in such a way as to lead to the inevitable consequence of "jumping out of the window".

The way that extremes in emotion and impairment in judgement are attributed to TBH without any correlation to any specific time, specific location, specific events and specific details raises the serious doubt of its authenticity.

Highly subjective, loaded phraseology

RCI used a large amount of rather emotional, subjective and value-judgement words and phrases to describe TBH's state of mind. For example:

NONE"[219]...Taking his mobile phone away would have meant robbing him of his means to reality and sanity. And the MACC officers did just that. Thus, for the first time in his life, TBH found himself totally and completely isolated from the outside world and thrust into desolation..." (RCI, pp.71)

Are the commissioners suggesting that TBH was losing his sense of reality and sanity just because of a handphone? And suggesting that TBH was going insane?

And how do they know that it was the first time in TBH's life that he felt "totally and completely isolated"? Presumably, they had special access into TBH's autobiographical memories and all the life stories.

The first sentence of the RCI finding using a third-person perspective speaks of "...would have meant...". But by the third sentence, a speculation by RCI had become a fact - "TBH found himself totally....". It is a remarkable feat to blur the reality by switching from one dimension of reality to another.

It is important to analyse this short passage as the whole argument for the suicide verdict is constructed using similar lines of reasoning or reconstruction of mental reality.

Risk factors not causal factors

Risk factors are still risk factors, however high or acute it is. Risk factors are not causal factors unless proven so.

Jcoroner court teoh beng hock inquest visit macc 070809 gobin singh.jpgust because RCI suggests that someone feels trapped and troubled by hopelessness does not mean that the individual would commit suicide. In fact, even most people who have previously harboured suicidal thoughts still do not do so.

All the three psychiatrists who gave expert opinion to the RCI were of the view that TBH belonged to the low-risk group for suicide after reviewing TBH's life history against the risk factors.

The psychiatrists were Dr Badi'ah Yahya, a forensic psychiatrist and Dr Nor Hayati Ali from the Ministry of Health, and Paul Edward Mullen, emeritus professor of forensic psychiatry, Monash University, Australia. Dr Badi'ah and Dr Hayati based their argument on the observation that TBH came from an intact family, had a stable job, and had no history of mental illness, impulsivity or substance abuse.

However, RCI ignored the expert opinions of the low probability of suicide and argued that TBH had undergone dramatic psychological changes from the low-risk group to the high-risk group for suicide when taken in by the MACC on July 15, 2009.

Quite early in their argument, RCI chose to categorise that TBH belonged to a high-risk group for suicide. Instead of choosing to argue out what was the probability of each manner of death (natural, accident, homicide or suicide), RCI ruled out all other scenarios and was fixated on the sole verdict of suicide.

RCI then used the hypothesised emotional state to justify suicide was the only way out for TBH.

No warning signs of suicide

RCI adopted the approach of insider viewpoint in arguing for the suicide verdict. RCI first classified TBH belonging to high-risk group for suicide and then provided purported details of TBH's inner emotions and thoughts before he purportedly took the decision to 'jump'.

From their approach, we would have expected that RCI had managed to gather evidence of signs of TBH of wanting to commit suicide. Strangely, no such evidence was produced.

According to the American Association of Suicidology, a person in acute risk for suicidal behaviour most often will show the following warning signs:
  • "Threatening to hurt or kill himself or herself, or talking of wanting to hurt or kill him/herself; and/or
  • Looking for ways to kill him/herself by seeking access to firearms, available pills, or other means; and/or
  • Talking or writing about death, dying or suicide, when these actions are out of the ordinary."
RCI had not provided any credible and convincing evidence that TBH had suicidal thoughts or suicidal behaviour. It is at best mere speculation and at worst the manufacture of inner experience of a supposedly insider viewpoint.

RCI had failed immensely to establish TBH's intention to suicide.

TBH stable and supported

Van Orden et al. (2010) proposed that the most dangerous form of suicidal desire is caused by the simultaneous presence of two factors - the thwarted belongingness (I am alone) and perceived burdensomeness (I am a burden) - and the hopelessness of these situations.

Also, the individual must acquire the capacity to engage in suicidal behaviour.

It is most unlikely that TBH would have felt hopeless when he was only detained less than 24 hours and there were ample opportunities for him to be reconnected to the outside world.

There is no reason for TBH to entertain the thought that his family, friends and colleagues in the outside world had abandoned him.

Subsequent events following news of TBH's death saw an outpouring klscah vigil for eo6 release 290711 teoh beng hock 06of support - including many friends, colleagues and ex-colleagues - for the family. It is clear from this that TBH had a sound social network of support to cope with any traumatic events.

Thus, the attribution of despair and hopelessness by RCI onto TBH is falsely created.

No suicide for physical, mental wreck

Para [229] stated that "By the time the fourth or final stage of the interrogation was over, TBH would have been almost a mental and physical wreck. When Ashraf fetched him a glass of water [demanded impolitely by TBH], TBH was said to have sat up very slowly."

It is clear that in such a tortured weakened state, TBH would not have sufficient strength to commit suicide. When he could hardly move, he could not be expected to jump out of the window. This RCI conclusion now of TBH's physical near collapse is self-contradictory to its melodramatic reconstruction of a fevered, despairing mind planning an energetic act of self-annihilation.

It is more probable that TBH would want to get out of the dreaded MACC building the moment he had the chance and the energy.

Conclusion

The RCI's suicide verdict is questionable as the reasoning in its argument is deeply flawed. Mere speculation of TBH's psychological state prior to death had become hard facts.

The authenticity of the evidence of intention to suicide used to support the claim is doubtful.

The inference from such evidence to the conclusion of suicide is invalid and unsound.

RCI based its reasoning on reconstructed suicidal thought. It is not inevitable that suicidal thoughts would lead to suicide. Also, it has not provided any evidence of suicidal behaviour or warning signs of suicide. The seriously weakened mental and physical state TBH as described by the commissioners shows that suicide is implausible.

RCI should have delivered an open verdict as it is a matter of intellectual honesty and integrity to respect facts and evidence.

Death would only have meaning when the truth is revealed and justice is done.

References

De Leo, D., Burgis, S., Bertolote, J.M., Kerkhof, A.J.F.M., and Bille-Brahe, U. (2006), Definitions of suicidal behaviour. Crisis, 27(1), 4-15.

Van Orden, K. A., Witte, T.K., Cukrowicz, Braithwaite, S.R., Selby, E.A. and Joiner, Jr., T.E. (2010), The Interpersonal Theory of Suicide, Psychological Review, 117 (2), 576-600.Friday, 19 August 2011 07:21

CT WONG is a practicing engineer for 30 over years, who also takes great interest in exploring non-technological matters of psychology and philosophy.

Saturday, August 13, 2011

I do not want to be interviewed - simply bad behaviour by PM and maybe even contempt of court

On Aug 8, High Court judge Datuk Mohamad Zabidin Mohd Diah had allowed two applications by Anwar to interview 15 witnesses including the Prime Minister and his wife regarding the sodomy trial faced by Anwar. - Bernama, 12/8/2011, Najib And Rosmah Present In Court Regarding Anwar's Sodomy Trial

Now, lawyers prefer to interview potential witnesses for this will help when it comes to asking the questions in court - this will certainly save a lot of the court's time and cost.

He said Najib and Rosmah said the same words as soon as they entered the room, which were: "I did not wish to be interviewed and I do not want to be a defence witness."- Bernama, 12/8/2011, Najib And Rosmah Present In Court Regarding Anwar's Sodomy Trial
“Najib came in first and when we asked, he said, 'I do not wish to be a defence witness. I do not want to be interviewed',” said Karpal.-Malaysiakini, 12/8/2011, PM and wife: We don't wish to be your witnesses
 "I did not wish to be interviewed ... I did not wish to be a defence witness." Those were the words Najib told the defence team.- theSundaily, 12/8/2011,  Anwar sodomy trial: Najib, wife decline to be interviewed (Update)

Of course witnesses, have the right to say that they do not have anything to say during these interviews - that means lawyers, when they call these witnesses, will have to be asking all questions right from the start - and then asking more questions when answers are given... all for the reason of getting out relevant answers for the purposes of the trial. 

If witnesses have been interviewed - then so many questions that may at the end lead to nothing relevant would not have to be asked in court. Now, thanks to Najib's non-cooperation - this just will lead to a much longer time spent in court on the witnesses stand with Anwar's lawyers grilling him with question after question - maybe even seeking adjournment to 'investigate further' some of the answers given - to be able to ask further questions. All these could have been so easily avoided if Najib cooperated ... and just participated in the said interview....remember what we all (and the court included) wants to do is get to the truth to ensure justice be done...

I do not want to be a defence witness - Well, if when called to come as a witnesses, and you do not want to do so freely - then all that needs to be done is subpoena you as a witness - and you will still have to be present in court as a witness... 

Now, when you call a witness, normally you will only be able to ask 'not leading' questions - but then, when the witness is hostile, you then are permitted to also ask 'leading questions', just like what you can do during the cross-examination of the other side's witness...Najib's statement that he does not want to be your witness, and his refusal to be interviewed just will go to show that he is a 'hostile' witnesses, and the courts will more likely than not allow Anwar's lawyers to cross examine Najib as though he was an 'hostile' witness.

Najib's and his wife's refusal to be interviewed is just a 'bad example' for all Malaysians - and all it will do is just waste more of the court's time and also be a hindrance to justice and most importantly an infringement of the right of a Defendant to defend himself and a fair trial. 

Will now all Malaysians follow the Najib's example and when called in by the police, MACC, prosecution and other Defence lawyers just go in there and say "I do not want to be your witness" ..."I do not want to be interviewed"
- I am not bothered in justice or human rights - I do not care about the right to a fair trial, or the universally acknowledged rights of an accused person.

Remember also the courts have again acknowledge the right of the accused to interview witnesses - I wonder also whether Najib could be cited for contempt of court - for clearly what the court ordered was an interview - i.e. where there are questions and answers - not just going in for an interview and saying,  'I do not wish to be a defence witness. I do not want to be interviewed',” 
But, if the court had ordered specifically ordered that you be present to be interviewed - and you used the words "I do not want to be interviewed' ...OR "I did not wish to be interviewed" - would that not be clearly a contempt of court. If you had attended the interview, and just said 'No comment" or "I have nothing to say" or "I do not want to answer that question now..." - then maybe you may have complied with the court order and may not be contempt - only that you had been a non-cooperative interviewee.Well, it will be up to the Accused and his lawyers to decide on the next step - commence contempt proceedings or not.

 Premier Najib Abdul Razak and his wife told lawyers representing the opposition leader and also defendant Anwar Ibrahim that they do not want to be defence witnesses.

This was revealed by lead counsel Karpal Singh and also by Sankara Nair.

Karpal and Sankara, along with senior lawyer Param Cumaraswamy and Ram Karpal, were in the same room when the witnesses were brought in, one by one.

NONEKarpal said when the defence team arrived at the court complex, Najib and Rosmah were already there.

“Najib came in first and when we asked, he said, 'I do not wish to be a defence witness. I do not want to be interviewed',” said Karpal.

Then it was Rosmah's turn and she made the same statement, and this was followed by former Malacca police chief Mohd Rodwan Mohd Yusof.

All three (Najib, Rosmah and Rodwan) were in the room and they did not come with their lawyers.

Najib and Rosmah arrived about 2.55pm and left at 3.28pm.

Their aides stood outside while they attended the brief interview.

Karpal said they were caught by surprise as there had been no indication that Najib and Rosmah would turn up today.

“Normally, they would give us advance notice,” the senior lawyer said.

Karpal described Rosmah as very tense when asked questions and at at one point, she said, “Do not bully me, Mr Karpal.”

Karpal said he does not know why Najib and Rosmah are frightened to come to court, in describing their refusal to answer questions.

Anwar: Meeting was cordial


Anwar said his meeting with Najib and Rosmah went on in a cordial manner.

For Anwar, he said he felt normal and Karpal was extremely polite.

“I can assure you Karpal is extremely polite,” said Anwar smilingly.

najib razak and rosmah mansor 1“However, I am disappointed that they (Najib and Rosmah) do not want to say much.
"This comes after they had said a lot in the public and to the media, but when asked by they do not want to cooperate,” said the Permatang Pauh MP.

Anwar said naturally, he was disappointed.

Asked whether he was surprised to see the premier and Rosmah, Anwar said they will come at some time.

Today three other witnesses were interviewed, and they were Desa Damansara condo owner Hasanuddin Abdul Hamid and his wife Noor Sham Abd Hamid, and Hasanuddin's sister, identified as Mashitah.

Six more witnesses including Musa to be interviewed

Karpal said there will be six other witnesses to be interviewed and they include former IGP Musa Hassan.

“The others are the two former Indonesian maids who worked with Hasanuddin and lesser-known witness.”

Karpal said he expects the trial may not go on until the defence finishes interviewing the witnesses.

“We will ask for a postponement on Monday as we have yet to finish interviewing the witnesses.

“The trial just cannot go on until we finish this process,” he said.

Asked whether a decision will be made to call Najib and Rosmah to the stand, Karpal said a decision will be made after the interview process.

Meanwhile, addressing reporters after the BN supreme council meeting, Najib said he had met with Anwar's lawyers out of respect for the courts.

“A decision has been made by the judge and regardless of position, I am still a citizen and I respect the judge's decision.

“I had attended the meeting and stated my stand on the matter... I know my rights and I have stated this to Anwar's lawyers,” he said.- -Malaysiakini, 12/8/2011, PM and wife: We don't wish to be your witnesses

KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 12 (Bernama) -- Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak and his wife, Datin Seri Rosmah Mansor, were present at the Jalan Duta Court Complex Friday with regard to the sodomy trial of Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim.

Najib and Rosmah arrived at 2.55pm to meet with Anwar's defence team headed by Karpal Singh.

They arrived 15 minutes earlier than Anwar's defence team.

The Prime Minister and his wife had met with Anwar's defence team separately for five minutes at the meeting room, Seventh Floor of the complex.

Najib and his wife left the complex at 3.28pm.

Speaking to reporters after chairing the Barisan Nasional (BN) Supreme Council meeting here, Najib said his presence at the Court Complex was to respect the decision made by the judge.

On Aug 8, High Court judge Datuk Mohamad Zabidin Mohd Diah had allowed two applications by Anwar to interview 15 witnesses including the Prime Minister and his wife regarding the sodomy trial faced by Anwar.

Meanwhile, Karpal Singh said Najib and Rosmah declined to be interviewed for Anwar's ongoing sodomy trial and both of them also did not want to be defence witnesses in the case.

Najib said he respected the decision made by the High Court Judge and "as a Malaysian citizen, I must respect the decision made by the judge, regardless of (my) position."

The Prime Minister said that was why he was present at the court and had stated his stand.

However, he declined to state what he had informed Anwar's defence team because he had "presented the matter according to my rights."

"I know my rights and I had conveyed them to the lawyer representing Anwar, and Anwar was also present there," he told reporters when asked about his presence at the Jalan Duta Court Complex.

Meanwhile, Karpal Singh said Najib and Rosmah had arrived at the meeting room before the defence team and the team met them separately, with Najib entering the room first and Rosmah later.

He said Najib and Rosmah said the same words as soon as they entered the room, which were: "I did not wish to be interviewed and I do not want to be a defence witness."

He also said that both of them were not accompanied by their lawyers.

Asked whether the defence wanted to call Najib, Rosmah and the other witnesses offered by the prosecution team, Karpal Singh said he had yet decide on the matter.

Karpal Singh said another witness, ex-Melaka police chief Datuk Mohd Rodwan Mohd Yusof, who turned up in court this afternoon, also declined to be interviewed and to be Anwar's defence witness.

As for now, the defence team had interviewed 15 witnesses including the owner of the condominium where the alleged incident occurred, Hasanuddin Abd Hamid, and his wife.

Karpal Singh said the defence had yet to interview six others, including former inspector-general of police Tan Sri Musa Hassan.

"Therefore, we cannot proceed with the trial, as agreed, before we complete interviewing all the witnesses prior to the trial," he said.

On Monday, High Court Judge Datuk Mohamad Zabidin Mohd Diah granted Anwar's application to interview witnesses offered by the prosecution, including Najib, Rosmah and Musa.

At the close of its case, the prosecution offered 71 witnesses, including Najib and Rosmah. The defence chose to interview only 25.

The court has set Aug 15 to 26 for the defence case. The court had initially set Aug 8 to 26, with Anwar scheduled as the first witness to take the stand.

On May 16, Justice Mohamad Zabidin ordered Anwar to enter his defence after ruling that the latter's former aide, Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan, the complainant in the case, was a truthful and credible witness.

Anwar, 63, pleaded not guilty in the Sessions Court on Aug 7, 2008, to committing carnal intercourse against the order of nature at the Desa Damansara Condominium in Bukit Damansara between 3.10 pm and 4.30 pm on June 26 of the same year.

-- BERNAMA- Bernama, 12/8/2011, Najib And Rosmah Present In Court Regarding Anwar's Sodomy Trial